Post-traumatic growth is an ethical realignment.” “ … underneath trauma there’s always healing, which means an ethical restoration and ethical upgrade. You said then, “The Holocaust sits in the room with us right now.” And I couldn’t really say I heard that before or could really understand exactly how it sat, but I felt the truth in that. GAZETTE:I met you in 2017 when you came to speak at the MIT Innovation Center in Boston. So how can we together create environments that help us to be truly present and relate more meaningfully to support our mutual past so it can become integrated into the present? When I refer to the past in this way, I mean the emotions, thoughts, and body sensations that overshadow my current experience. Integrated history is presence and unintegrated history is the past. And the more stress, which comes with two or three adversities in the system, the more trauma becomes intensified. So trauma comes with the underlying sense that we are separate, at least at times. HÜBL: When we look at a trauma there are two major sets of symptoms: One is hyperactivity, which comes with a tremendous amount of stress and reactivity, and the other one is numbness and indifference. GAZETTE:What are the effects of all these interconnected traumas on people? I believe when we talk about collective trauma, we’re usually talking about the root causes that lead up to the current crises and the way we respond to a current crisis. That shared past is, in a way, like the sand in the engine in how we respond to the current crisis. But these events meet in all of our shared history, which I refer to as the unintegrated parts of our shared past. There are two phenomena: a very stressful current situation, like COVID-19, or the climate crisis, which is already intensifying. So often trauma is seen as a personal issue, and now we are talking about the collective or systemic dimensions. This results in individual traumatizations or difficulties, but also, there is a shared cultural space, I believe, that we need to take into account. HÜBL: First I’d love to talk about collective trauma as traumatic events that a bigger part of a population, a nation, or the world, goes through collectively. What are your thoughts on how we should be thinking about what we are facing? GAZETTE:Most of us would agree we are currently living in a time of collective trauma. The next three-part series, “ Mindfulness in Action: Leading & Communicating During Challenging Times,” offered through the Harvard Longwood Campus Office of Employee Development & Wellness, will begin on Jan. ![]() Since April, Hübl has been offering workshops to Harvard faculty and staff to help them meet the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic. For the past 18 years, Hübl has helped hundreds of thousands of people spark dialogue and work toward restoring some of humanity’s worst transgressions. At Harvard Medical School’s live-streamed “ Bala Subramaniam, Ellison “Jeep” Pierce Associate Professor of Anesthesia, engaged in a conversation with Thomas Hübl, author and founder of the nonprofit The Pocket Project, which educates the public on the impact of collective traumas and trains professionals to facilitate events focused on healing. The modern mental health system has only one diagnosis (PTSD) out of dozens that even acknowledge trauma at large, and rarely do we attempt to understand the origins of trauma.Īncestral trauma is collective or intergenerational trauma and wounding that is passed down via epigenetics, family norms, and social systems that impact our bodyminds in the present, perhaps even without the awareness of the original experience.Nobody was prepared for 2020, but a public talk on collective trauma in December 2019 was prescient. Some emotional wounds are shared, collective and often familial and intergenerational. Much of what gets labeled as mental health concerns, family norms, or unhealthy patterns are rooted in our lineage. Many things like traditions, language and recipes are passed down through generations, but so are our gifts and our wounding. We also talk about elders, getting to know your living ancestors, making ancestor alters, and tangible steps in how to engage in ancestral healing. In this episode we talk about intergenerational/ancestral trauma, using the example of impostor syndrome as rooted in historical oppression. ![]() ![]() Some emotional wounds that get conceptualized as personality traits, habits, or norms, are actually inherited ancestral trauma. Many of the wounds, patterns, and emotions we carry in our bodies are not only our own.
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